BULL CHIT!!!!!!

[Reno badboy]

Boy,it sure looks depressing on here. Is everyone else feeling as bad as I do?? The mining outlook isn't very good. Three dredges collecting dust. No chance for a job. A spook running the country. Polititions saying everything is fine,while their tearing the constitution apart for toilet paper. Illeagel's have more rights than our own citzens. Vet's are treated as second class or worse. Gang-bangers get a slap on the hand for killing folk. Kids dressing and acting like hoods get shot and the whole country pittys the idiot! And then they want to go after someone that is trying to keep our streets safer!!!! This country is in "RETARD MODE"!!!!! I am soooo ready for dec 21!!!!!!!!!

[russau]

yep 12-21-12 was going tobe my retirement date but i couldnt hold out any longer!

[DJR]

They had a good article about dredging in the Pick and Shovel Gazette.
But the problem is that unless we get organized on the national level they will always beat us at the game.

[russau]

i agree but there aint no way everybody/anybodys going to gettoghter on anything!to many special issues and to many different ideas! this has been the past history in things and i dont see anything changeing anytime soon! several groups tried to ask for help and not very many did anything to help! most people are wanting someone else to bail them out!and not many help at all!

[YellowFever]

Hay Reno badboy, I hope that this will put a smile on your face!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKNLaRVaOiU

[Reno badboy]

Thanks bud,that helped some. Still worried though!

[Sierra Sam]

Sheesh... . . . Gets a bit hot in here from time to time, eh?
Saw an article in the local paper about how dredgers were polluting the streams and waterways with the release of heavy metals like lead and mercury. I was confused, since the miners I know, remove that stuff, not throw it back in the river?
Heck, why did I build my retort? And no, I do NOT throw my mercury back where I got it.
Then I saw the following article today:
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2012/suction-dredge-mining-04-03-2012.html

Now, I' do consider myself to be environmentally aware. Not a tree hugging, friend of flipper fanatic, but definitely conscientious when I'm prospecting, shooting, or just enjoying the Sierras. I can't say that I've been guilty of, "...releasing toxic mercury leftover from the Gold Rush, and generating silt that chokes spawning beds..."

I guess if I had a question regarding this whole misguided mess, it would have to be, Are there really miners who are so insensitive and inconsiderate of the environment and others on this planet that they would knowingly pollute and destroy the very environment they so love to go to for recreation and to enjoy, often with friends and family?

My guess is, no. Although I do witness enough stupidity on the highways and byways that I would have to factor in an idiot or two here and there. The cigarette butt flicked out the truck window. Gotta love the ones that hit the road and make sparks and roll along glowing towards the grassy embankment. I do know there are a few less than genius individuals who wonder how those cigarette butts end up on the beaches. Hell, any minor knows gutters lead to streams, and streams lead to rivers, and rivers empty into the ocean, but the guy flicking the butt who doesn't have a clue, or care where the butt ends up, probably WOULD throw the mercury and lead he captured in his rig back into the river. But then, he was an idiot in the first place.

Now, I'm not saying I've never flicked a cigarette butt out a window or onto the ground, and I have witnessed fish begin to get sluggish and seemingly choke on the density of particulates in the water I churned up from the bottom, but I learned both were bad things, and I stopped. You know, it's kinda like finding out you have a two drink limit. Sometimes it takes longer for some; like the day you wake up and your car isn't in the driveway and you wonder how you got home... . . .

I wanna go dredging. Can't everybody just kiss and make up?! The rain is washing gold as we jaw. Everybody PLEASE learn to play nice!

[russau]

[quote="Sierra Sam"]Sheesh... . . . Gets a bit hot in here from time to time, eh?
??????????????? wheres the beef??? i dont see any argument!

[DJR]

i agree but there aint no way everybody/anybodys going to gettoghter on anything!to many special issues and to many different ideas! this has been the past history in things and i dont see anything changeing anytime soon! several groups tried to ask for help and not very many did anything to help! most people are wanting someone else to bail them out!and not many help at all!

There is no choice, we either all start pulling in the same direction or they will win. We can no longer afford to use this excuse "It will not work". The basic ideas are the same. the action need to be organized on a national level, that spills over to the states so we can have a lobby of our own, because they got it and they are winning.

[Sierra Sam]

DJR- no offense intended "...we either all start pulling in the same direction or they will win..."

us vs. "them" - most always turns into a war cry. War cries lead to battles. Battles lead to collateral damage. Original issues become clouded like waters downstream of a claim. Then a broad brush is brought in by the "US", as in WE, the people, and then "we" end up paying annually renewable fees for every little element of prospecting, including paying for the officials who will be conducting random inspections to insure the letter of the new laws are being adhered to.

However, since "we" doesn't include, necessarily, those exemptions as applied to "Native" Americans. In such case the "we" more refers to those who basically squatted on lands otherwise "occupied" by those tribes and peoples who had resided, and whos culture and customs had evolved in the area for hundreds, if not thousands of years, as of relatively recently.

The dilemma of bringing Native Americans and the United States Government (that's "we") together on issues has been going on since the two met for the first time a while back.

All I know is that I don't want to have to take a test like I do to drive. And if you think about it, could you possibly envision a requirement to carry miners insurance? You know, just in case a fish dies within your claim? Or someone trips over your rig? Or someone witnesses a fish being diverted from it's "normal' path of travel?

I say, let's try a bit more on the "we" thing if we can.