Western Mining Alliance :?:

[Bluebeard]

John, it is news to me that the name is copywritten. If that is the case, just show me and then I guess we will find another.

Your crusty curmudgeon attitude is curious. You are somewhat of an icon on these boards, you obviously have lots of experience in what you talk about, but at same time you can be downright ornery to people you don't know- haven't made an effort to know, and who are trying to make a difference.

Look, I'll lay it out to you- I have my own business and it is going fine- it keeps me plenty busy. The four of us (who are spending our hard earned money to start WMA) all have other jobs that keep us plenty busy. We didn't create WMA because we had a lack of anything to do. We did it because we felt SOMEONE had to organize something. And it didn't look like any two of the herd of cats, known as miners could agree on anything long enough to coalesce into any sort of organization.

I don't need to be staying up to all hours of the night, dumping hard earned money into starting an organization that people think is going to rip them off. I don't rip ANYONE off. Never have. Never will. I believe in getting good value for all of the money that is spent. We have been racking our brains to find ways where belonging to WMA would be a win-win situation for EVERYONE involved. Eric M has spent untold (unpaid) hours creating a miners database and I am sure he would have much rather been spending his time with his young family at the beach instead.

I am curious why you have so much animosity for people you don't know and have made no effort to know. And now that you got my attention, I want to know you. Make an effort to contact me and we can talk. Maybe you have helpful advice you can offer us, rather than publicly bashing us every chance you get. You can email me your phone number @ mtnblue@exwire.com and I will call you to see if you have anything to offer to actually help us out. I am not here to create enemies, I just want to get back into the water and I am doing it the only way I know how to do it.

[Bluebeard]

I just checked the US copyright office and Western Mining Alliance is not infringing on anyone's copyright. Unless of course, you know of some place else I should look? We did a pretty thorough search of names before we chose this one.

Also, your memory is failing you, I am sorry to say. Here is your homework assignment: find the specific forum and post that I made asking ANYONE for a dollar (or any amount of money), since WMA was created 6 months ago. Maybe part of your orneryness comes from some latent delusions. Its a good idea to get your facts straight before you start making accusations.

I am not trying to start a fight with you, I just want you to know that your memory is incorrect. I have NEVER asked anyone for money on these forums. I may soon, but up until now, NADA.

[Bonaro]

Bluebeard,
Sounds like the WMA is certainly needed and I support any action that serves to unite the small miner. It is a thankless job.
You have asked some very good questions, I cant wait to see if there in an answere...

[russau]

i personnaly think the more orgs/people we get into this the better our results will be! im in support of any and all groups thatll get into the fight and bring in a large number of people to help in this fight! i also think the lack of small scale miners, no matter what their reason for NOT getting involved, is a large part of the problem inwhich we are loseing ground in the courts.it dont help that the courts/dems are GREEN and untrustworthy! we put them there,and we sure can get them out if we all work at it and get the word out to those people that could care less about anything! show them how itll hurt thier pocket book if they keep doing as they are doing, and that is NOTHING!sooner or latter itll be on their doorstep and then who are they going to ask for help? the greens are now turning on the fishermen that helped them get where their at now! who/what group will be next? what state will turn green and keep you from your rights? its real easy to get burnt out from all of this but then what would you have? individuals fighting for any type of survival and support for their familys! yep, you and i could be next on the hit list!WHOS GOT THE ANSWER? quiting isnt getting anyone anywhere!

[fatbob]

Not going to speak for hoser he does a good enough job himself, he is smart and knows the laws pretty good but it like you guys never listen to what he is saying,there are a lot of us out there who wont put there support anymore into the plp the new 49ers for various reasons if you cant figure them out by now cant help you there,sure some sound bitter but look at the chain of events that lead to this wasn't just the kuruks but thats like kicking a dead horse now,there are plenty of us out there that would support a new group someone that really cares about us and not going to use us for there own personal gains or personal fights but your the one that said eventually we will be asking for money not trying to berate you just do it the right way this time.Also you really need to get some legal advice at least learn the difference between a copyright and a trademark you cant just do a search on the site you have to have them search there records if they are older.If you want relief from the law find a lawer that pratices real minig law show a profit and loss on your claim and start a class action suit just some advice do what you would like with it.
Rob.

[Bluebeard]

Guys- No one in our group is going into organizing WMA stating that we know anything about what has been done in the past or what needs to be done. I am sure there are a lot of you guys (and gals) out there who know more than me and 1000 of my closest friends put together. I am not coming from a viewpoint of knowing ANYTHING. There are a lot of miners out there who have lots of experience (especially guys like Hoser and CALGOLDDREDGER!). The only way we are going to beat this thing (if we can beat this thing) is to put EVERYONE'S head in the same place and come up with a plan. Its no secret Hoser is bitter about something. I haven't been around long enough to know what it is, but it definitely is a bitter pill. He apparently thought the Western Mining Council was an awesome group. Well, they aren't around any more and no one took their place, so is it possible WMA could take its place? I want everyone's input on putting this thing together- even those I disagree with. Everyone has SOMETHING to contribute. John- email me, I'll call you and we can talk. Let's get some ideas out there and see what we can come up with.

Some of you guys have issues with Dave M, and some with PLP and that is a tough nut to crack. No matter what their results have been, at least they have been trying to do SOMETHING. Everyone is questioning each other's motives and abilities. It's bad enough that we have to fight the unlimited funded enviros, but do we really have to spend so much time fighting each other? Can't we agree to disagree and try to band together for at least as long as it takes to get ourselves back into the water? Everyone has their own motives- some are more for the whole, while others are more selfish - that's a given. In every community you run up against all sorts of people and their varied motives. We have ONE MAIN OBJECT until this fight is over and that is to GET BACK INTO THE WATER. Period.

What's it going to take to turn this thing around?

I am interested in ANY feedback you can give. The more outside the box the better. Email me at mtnblue@exwire.com with a phone number if you like and I can call you to discuss ANY ideas you have.

Rick

[russau]

count on me for whatever i can do! im sure not good on a computor!!! but when fighting for your rights and getting qualified mining lawyers, it takes lots of money nomatter what you do! without funds your done before you start! i have a varilimited amout of cash like everyone today, but ill do what i can do! if you think about it, the western states troubles are our front line of defending our rights! if we dont fight it there,we all will lose sooner or latter!

[Bluebeard]

Russau- you are on. As we get closer to a conference call, I'll be in touch. If you don't mind, email me a note with your skillsets and phone number- and what you feel comfortable doing- maybe past jobs you've had. I am figuring we should be able to find something for everyone who wants to help out. But we need to know what your are good at and what you know how to do and perhaps something you'd like to do and of course any ideas you may have about how to achieve forward movement with this project along with an estimate of how much free time you'd have to devote to a project (how's that for a run-on sentence?). As with anything, it is ok to offer a minimal amount of effort- no one knows how this is going to work out, and I can appreciate apprehensiveness. Once we get this thing up and going, if you are happy with what you are doing, then you can consider if you want to donate more time. This is going to be a huge learning experience for everyone. And most of all, I hope this experience will be empowering to all who participate.

Also, to the moderators of this forum, you can be assured that WMA will not ask people for money on your forums. That would be REALLY tacky. What I might do (if it is ok with you) is make a single post announcing the completion of the WMA website and if anyone wants to stop by, they can. Before we announce our website, I will contact you off forum to see how you would want me to make any announcement, if at all.

[Bluebeard]

I hate to have a request so soon, but we need to get the website up and I barely understand Wordpress. If there is someone out there who understands Wordpress, at a minimum, I like to talk to you so you can tell me which modules I need to complete the site. Wordpress is like a whole new language to me, not only do I not understand what the lingo means, I don't even know what I need. So if someone would be so kind to email me so I can call them and ask what may be a couple of pretty simple questions, I would be much obliged.

[Reno badboy]

Hey beard, don't forget about us at CGPGOLD.ORG. We're close by for anything.Contact Bill Voit at his web addy.