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[russau]

John i wish i was going with you!good luck, hope you find only the big stuff this time out!

[Reno badboy]

I just read through the comments here. For those of you that don't know or haven't heard. The whole reason for the ban was because the Indians started in on Mc Kracker and he says "If you come down on me you got to come down on everyone!" So there you go. I heard this out of a waco's mouth at one of the dredge hearings I went to. The state loved the idea.

[CalGoldDredger]

read back a little through posts and didn't see this till now.

Yep, ol' Mc CRACKERJACK has done one fine number on all of us. If it wasn't for him we'd all still be dredging,the guy is only out for himself! Now he's headed further north with some new scam. I got an e mail from his site that they are checking out a new area for his out-fit!

RB- ya know the 49ers don't own any claims in Oregon. Sending members to the public access mining areas to dredge, like the Rogue, and trying to pass it off as exclusive. "fantastic"
ch-ching send me your $3K and you can go dredge the public areas, too. Low Down BS.

[Reno badboy]

Yep, the ultimate "miner mining miners"! The man has good knowledge but his ethics are messed up. Oh well.

[Bonaro]

Reno badboy - I am having a hard time understanding wtf you are talking smack about so I'm callin you out.

In regards to Dave McCracken saying "if you go after me you have to go after everyone" Did you really expect the tribes, DFG or any other agency to only go after one businessman and not the whole industry? Seriously? How would that hold up in court? It has been obvious that they were going after the whole industry all along so If DM had done nothing how do you think this ban would have ended up?

Isn't applying laws equally the fair thing to do or would you prefer that laws were selective and only effected handpicked individulas?

Have you hired an attorney, started a legal fund, tried to organize miners or done ANYTHING but complain about the privileges others are not providing to you?

If you were DM what you you do that would have magically avoided this ban? If avoiding it were possible why didn't you get off you butt an do it?

You seem to have all the answers, lets hear them

[Reno badboy]

Call out huh!?! The reason they went after him was the new claims in the Indians fishing areas. I also heard that DM and his bud's tore down some of the fishing piers they used.If I'm not mistaken this was written up in the ICMJ. So I take it your one of DM's buds to come to his aide.I noticed he hasen't done much to help with this situation eigther. I'm just a broke-d--k miner living with this f'd up mess.I did go to a couple of the DFG hearings, Never seen you or your bud there. Although there wasn't anything more him or you could have done. I know crooked when I see it, period. Good enough or do you want to meet in the playground after school??? I love ciber bullies! PFFFFFTTTTTTT!

[CalGoldDredger]

Well got to give Mc Crackhead some due credit for suckering up a such a large congregation of gullible miners.

Likely a reason he didn't show his face at those meetings and all the bars and steel on his windows and doors.

F'M' and the donkey he rode in on and all his little sheep.

[Bonaro]

I still don't know WTF you are talking about and you ducked most of my questions

The Karouks targeted Dm because he is the prime claim holder on the Klamath not because of hearsay about fishing piers or claims in fishing areas. If they could take him out the rest of us would be easy picking. Once the claims were voided on the river, land value would fall out the bottom, they could buy it and build their coveted casino. Early on DM tried to cooperate with the tribe but they double crossed him several times, it was not part of their plan. Give or take a few details, that is the whole thing in a nutshell.

I am not his friend but I know him and I also know he has done 100% more work to keep mining open for everyone than you have. Do you think it would have been more fair if the DFG had only passed laws that shut DM down?

If you have not seen me you have probably had your mouth going to much to notice. In the last decade I have been to DFG meetings, mostly in Washington and Oregon because Cali is 2 states away for me. I have written more letters and made more calls to Cali than I can count. I came up with the Prospectors Calendar fundraiser idea and published it with Geno for a couple years and that raised thousands of dollars. (didnt see your name in the receipts) I was The Washington State Director with Jim Foley to start up his National Land Rights League to protect miners rights. (didn't see your name int he membership roster) I continue to keep my money flowing to PLP, RC and 49er legal funds whenever possible. I have been here a long time and I'm not hard to find

You are a relative newcomer who from my perspective has done very little except bitch about PLP, 49ers and pretty much anyone who has actually done something to try and save this. It forces me to wonder who's side you are on?? Does all this complaining and whining without any action actually get you good results in your world?

You condemn the actions of all those who take action but you never talk about what your better idea is...Come on big guy, you got the stage and the whole world is waiting to hear your grand plan... let's hear it!!!

I am no bully just know BS when I smell it...

[rivraton]

+1, Bonaro!
And as for DM and dredging on the Rogue, He makes no claim that this is in any way "exclusive" for members, he did research the access areas and available camping sites and compile that info for the members. If I recall correctly The McCracken flaming campaign started when someone's feelings were hurt at one of the DFG meetings because he wasn't allowed to talk (DFG's decision) but the lawyer for the new 49ers was.
Bottom line is DFG knew what they wanted to do from the outset. The whole "public input" thing was a charade. For instance; They stated on several occasions that all (identical) form letters would only count at one BUT 9000 IDENTICAL Emails from the eviro sites were counted as 9000 anti dredging comments....
We are all pissed about it, but most of us know that the state legislators that took money from the Tribal Council and the enviro lobby are to blame, and no one else…

[russau]

[ If I recall correctly The McCracken flaming campaign started when someone's feelings were hurt at one of the DFG meetings because he wasn't allowed to talk (DFG's decision) but the lawyer for the new 49ers was.
Bottom line is DFG knew what they wanted to do from the outset. The whole "public input" thing was a charade. For instance; They stated on several occasions that all (identical) form letters would only count at one BUT 9000 IDENTICAL Emails from the eviro sites were counted as 9000 anti dredging comments....
We are all pissed about it, but most of us know that the state legislators that took money from the Tribal Council and the enviro lobby are to blame, and no one else…[/quote]
Riverton,i recalled reading about that here ,from that particular person if im not mistaken!